Match Racing Ladder

There has been a lot of chatter in the forum about having sailing ladders. Hans has built a sailing ladder and invites the feedback and participation of all sailors.

If you have any views that you would like to express on this ladder then please IM Hans Zinnemann or add a post to this thread.

_Test Ladder 2008 1. Hans Zinnemann ?? days 2. Zinnemann Harbour ?? days 3. Xena Oh ?? days	ACA33 Ladder 2008 1. Liv Leigh 21 days 2. M1sha Dallin 21 days 3. ahjep Kattun 45 days 4. joepie Korobase ?? days 5. Alain Gloster 35 days 6. Taku Raymaker 13 days 7. Johnnie Snook 13 days 7. RnSdriver Lane 25 days 9. Heidi Stiglitz 23 days 10. Manni Lusch 23 days 11. Gemma Vuckovic ?? days 12. Bea Woodget ?? days	ACC Ladder 2008 1. Armchair Binder ?? days 2. Owen Oyen ?? days 3. Aleister Biondetti 35 days 4. Taku Raymaker 35 days 5. nobuko Criss 63 days 6. Liv Leigh 35 days 7. Bea Woodget ?? days	Flying Fizz Ladder 2008 1. Kei Cioc ?? days 2. joepie Korobase 51 days 3. Armchair Binder ?? days 4. Liv Leigh 51 days 5. ahjep Kattun ?? days 6. Pensive Mission ?? days 7. Toru Bracken ?? days 8. Gemma Vuckovic 12 days 9. Ox Seetan 48 days 10. Wolem Wobbit 12 days 11. Bea Woodget 12 days 12. Manni Lusch 26 days	Flying Tako Ladder 2008 1. Armchair Binder 18 days 2. Liv Leigh 18 days 3. Alain Gloster 66 days 4. M1sha Dallin ?? days 5. joepie Korobase ?? days 6. Aleister Biondetti ?? days 7. ahjep Kattun ?? days 8. Pensive Mission ?? days 9. Croco Capalini ?? days 10. Gemma Vuckovic ?? days 11. Icabod Jonesford ?? days 12. Kendust Vansant ?? days 13. Slanty Uriza ?? days 14. Bea Woodget 48 days 15. Ox Seetan 48 days	Skutsje Ladder 2008 1. ahjep Kattun ?? days 2. Croco Capalini ?? days 3. Delinda Dyrssen 28 days 4. Epicurus Emmons ?? days 5. Liv Leigh 28 days 6. Gaietan Beaumont 31 days 7. joepie Korobase 78 days 8. Alain Gloster 33 days 9. Johnnie Snook 50 days 10. Gemma Vuckovic 37 days 11. Icabod Jonesford ?? days	Zinnemann 40 Ladder 2008 1. Alain Gloster 39 days 2. Bea Woodget 21 days 3. Melanie Tymets 21 days 4. Skipper Nikolaidis 31 days 5. ahjep Kattun 31 days 6. Johnnie Snook 45 days 7. Grant Coen 43 days 8. Ox Seetan 48 days 9. Toru Bracken ?? days
Challenges without dates: Hans vs Xena This race was won by Xena Hans vs Zinnemann This race was won by Hans Zinnemann vs Xena This race was won by Zinnemann	Challenges without dates: Heidi vs Taku Gemma vs joepie Completed Challenges: Taku vs Johnnie Fri 15 August 23:00 SLT Taku won this race. Liv vs M1sha Thu 7 August 13:00 SLT Liv won this race. Heidi vs Manni Tue 5 August 11:15 SLT Heidi won this race. Manni vs RnSdriver Sun 3 August 10:45 SLT RnSdriver won this race. Manni vs Taku Sun 3 August 06:00 SLT Taku won this race. Alain vs Julia Thu 24 July 06:00 SLT Alain won this race. Johnnie vs ahjep Mon 14 July 00:15 SLT ahjep won this race. ahjep vs Julia Sun 13 July 04:30 SLT ahjep won this race. Liv vs M1sha Fri 20 June 06:30 SLT M1sha won this race.	Challenges without dates: Liv vs nobuko Completed Challenges: Aleister vs Taku Thu 24 July 19:00 SLT Aleister won this race. Liv vs Aleister Thu 24 July 12:00 SLT Liv won this race. Aleister vs nobuko Thu 26 June 20:00 SLT nobuko won this race.	Challenges without dates: Gemma vs ahjep Toru vs ahjep Toru vs Pensive Completed Challenges: Wolem vs Bea Sat 16 August 02:00 SLT Wolem won this race. Bea vs Gemma Sat 16 August 00:00 SLT Gemma won this race. Wolem vs Manni Sat 2 August 03:00 SLT Manni won this race. Manni vs Wolem Sat 2 August 02:00 SLT Wolem won this race. Manni vs Bea Tue 15 July 10:45 SLT Bea won this race. Bea vs Ox Fri 11 July 00:00 SLT Ox won this race. Liv vs joepie Tue 8 July 05:00 SLT joepie won this race.	Challenges without dates: Gemma vs Alain Kendust vs Gemma Completed Challenges: Liv vs Armchair Sun 10 August 10:00 SLT Armchair won this race. Bea vs Ox Fri 11 July 00:00 SLT Bea won this race. Liv vs Hans Sat 5 July 02:00 SLT Liv won this race. Liv vs Alain Mon 23 June 03:00 SLT Liv won this race.	Challenges without dates: ahjep vs Croco Delinda vs Epicurus Gaietan vs Epicurus Completed Challenges: Liv vs Delinda Thu 31 July 10:00 SLT Delinda won this race. Gaietan vs Taku Mon 28 July 00:00 SLT Gaietan won this race. Gaietan vs Alain Sat 26 July 06:00 SLT Gaietan won this race. Gemma vs Liv Tue 22 July 00:00 SLT Liv won this race. Gaietan vs Johnnie Wed 9 July 00:00 SLT Gaietan won this race. joepie vs Liv Wed 11 June 03:00 SLT Liv won this race.	Challenges without dates: Skipper vs Melanie Toru vs Ox Grant vs Johnnie Completed Challenges: Bea vs Melanie Thu 7 August 11:00 SLT Bea won this race. Skipper vs ahjep Mon 28 July 06:00 SLT Skipper won this race. Bea vs Skipper Mon 21 July 12:00 SLT Bea won this race. Hans vs Alain Sun 20 July 06:00 SLT Alain won this race. Bea vs Grant Wed 16 July 07:00 SLT Bea won this race. Skipper vs Johnnie Mon 14 July 23:00 SLT Skipper won this race. Bea vs Ox Fri 11 July 00:00 SLT Bea won this race. Johnnie vs Melanie Mon 30 June 23:00 SLT Melanie won this race. Skipper vs Liv Wed 25 June 12:00 SLT Skipper won this race. ahjep vs Johnnie Sun 22 June 04:00 SLT ahjep won this race. Johnnie vs Hans Sat 21 June 03:00 SLT Hans won this race. Hans vs Melanie Thu 12 June 12:00 SLT Hans won this race.

How to Join a Ladder

To take part in a ladder log in and then click the join button at the foot of your chosen ladder. This will place you at the bottom of the ladder (but above any racers that have not raced for more than four weeks).

How to Challenge a Skipper

For your first race you can challenge anyone apart from the top three racers. For all other races you can challenge either of the two racers above or the two racers below you. To challenge a skipper click the challenge button beneath their name. You can then fill in the details of your challenge into the form provided. The challenger should send an Instant Message to the defender and arrange the details of the event with them. Once the races are completed the challenger logs the results in the form and the ladder updates accordingly.

Frequently Asked Questions

Can I race in more than one ladder? Yes. You can compete in as many ladders as you wish but we would recommend that you think carefully about racing in more than three ladders.

How often do I need to race? You must race at least once every four weeks. If you fail to do so you will be moved to the bottom of that ladder.

I have been challenged. How soon do we need to race? Once you have been challenged you have up to three weeks to race. This gives people a chance to have a RL holiday.

Why would someone want to challenge someone beneath them? Because of the requirement to race regularly a racer in first position must still be able to challenge other racers.

When can we race? What course should we use? etc. The beauty of the ladder is that you can race when and how you like. The challenger and defender can agree a date, time, course, rules, number of races, wind speed and direction that works for them.

What happens if the challenger and defender cannot agree on the course, etc? We would like them to work it out between themselves but if they cannot then Hans will arbitrate and perhaps specify a course that is suitable to that class.

What happens if I win? If you are below your opponent you will move above them in the ladder.

What happens if I lose? If you are above your opponent you will move below them in the ladder.

How many points do I win? There are no points in the ladder. You only change positions.

How many boats are in each race? Only 2. There can be multiple crew on each boat if you wish (e.g. ACA32) in which case the skippers are the ones counted in the ladder.

What happens if my opponent does not show? If your opponent does not show up within 30 minutes of the time you had agreed with them you can claim the win. Having said this it is preferred that you reschedule the race with them.

How many races can I arrange? You can add one challenge to each ladder at any one time.

Is there not a risk the second place challenge the first every week until he wins? That can happen but the defender can wait up to three weeks to race the challenger so it would not be a problem.

Can you add more ladders? New ladders will be added if there are at least five racers wanting to race in it. If you would like a new ladder added (e.g. for one of the big boat classes) please confirm with other racers that they would like to compete and then send their names to Hans.

I am not good enough to race yet. That is not a problem. You start at the bottom and so race sailors who are also not great. It is actually a great way to learn.

When does the ladder finish? The 2008 ladders will finish in December 2008.

Will there be 2009 ladders? Yes. You will be able to sign up for these at the 2008 awards party.

Who wins the ladder? The winner is the skipper in first position at a date to be determined in December.

What do I win? Zinnemann will award a trophy and a great prize to the winning skipper of each ladder at the award party in December.

Do I get notified when my match details are updated? If your email address is entered into your profile we will notify you by email.

Can I use an AI HUD? The idea of the ladder is that racers race other racers so using an AI is forbidden at the moment.

How can I stay up to date with ladder news? A group called Ladder has been set up for information updates. Racers are encouraged to join this group.

Can a sailing club launch participation in the ladder? Yes. Hans is more than happy to come and explain the concept of the ladder to the members in a "Ladder Roadshow".